by old men, vietnam vets, and i am 38 years old, a young man, but i go over there, we talk and everybody is the cutting their grass, having a bear, and they show me pictures. some of the things that they talk about they do not want to talk about. beautifules are so that they are ugly, but that is war. that is the nature of the devil's playground. you are to get this. host: these are pictures taken by the veterans in theater? caller: yes, they let them take to cheers, and some of them -- they censored some of them, but the pictures that they have, they showed them to me. and war is war. it is ugly. the truth is they are in the picture. it is the eyes that you have to see when they are taking the pictures.